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Accurately Move Forms & Controls

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This example application was developed in response to various forum questions including:

      MS Access - X Y Cordinates of Control Top       (ironfelix717 @

      Access 2016 - api functions                            (lana @ Access World Forums)


Moving (and resizing) objects to precise locations on the screen is very easy using the Move method

          expression.Move(Left, Top, Width, Height)


For example, Forms!Form1.Move 100,200,500,350

This moves the top left of Form1 to x-y co-ordinates 100,200 and changes the width and height to 500 & 350 (where all values are in twips – see later)


Similarly, controls can easily be moved on a form.

For example, this code moves Box9 so it is located immediately below textbox Text2:

      Me.Box9.Left = Me.Text2.Left

      Me.Box9.Top = Me.Text2.Top + Me.Text2.Height


The example application does both of the above but also demonstrates some much more complex processes.

For example, it shows how:

•      A popup form such as a customised zoom box can be moved to a precise position over another

      form irrespective of form settings

•      A listbox record can be ‘selected’ without clicking on the listbox. This is done by accurately

      detecting the record underneath the mouse cursor based on the height of each row in the listbox.

      This means the record can be used e.g. to open a filtered form / view an image without actually

       selecting the listbox record!

•      The x-y coordinates of an object on a form can be determined and the object nudged by a  

      specified amount in any direction


Each of these has been successfully tested using a variety of situations:

•      Navigation bar - maximised/minimised/removed

•      Ribbon - maximised/minimised/removed

•      Application window – maximised / restored

•      Different screen sizes and resolutions

•      Enlarging the screen display setting from the default 100% to 125%


Different form conditions have also been tested including:

•      Border style – none / thin / sizable / dialog

•      Scrollbars – none / horizontal only / vertical only / both

•      Navigation button bar – visible / hidden

•      Record selectors – visible / hidden

•      Different fonts – font name / point size & style (bold / italic / underline)



It is NOT possible to hide the application window for this example.

Doing so would require the use of popup forms which isn’t possible here due to the simultaneous use of 2 forms in several places


There are many complications that need to be managed for all of this to work well:

1.    Units of measurement – twips, pixels and points

The position of objects in the Access window is determined in twips (one twentieth of imperial point size) where

1440  twips = 1 inch or 567 twips = 1 cm


The x-y coordinates of the top left of the application window are 0, 0


However, the position of the mouse cursor is measured in pixels with reference to the overall screen: 1 pixel (px) = 15 twips so 96px = 1440 twips = 1 inch


Font size is measured in points (pt) where 1 point = 20 twips

A 72 point font = 1 inch = 1440 twips = 96px ;

Similarlly 12pt = 16px = 240 twips = 1/6 inch, 3 points = 60 twips = 4 px etc


Complications arise with font sizes that are NOT factors of 72. For example:

•      11 pt font =220 twips = 14.667 px

       but as you cannot have a part pixel that actually requires 15 px

•      10 pt font =200 twips = 13.33px so this takes up 14px which is a significant difference


For further info, see


This makes pt => px conversions difficult to do precisely and can lead to placement errors on the screen


There are THREE main ways of doing this conversion:

•      Use conversion values as above with arbitrary corrections to align objects as well as possible

       This MAY be adequate for a selected font name & size but is very likely to be inaccurate if

       either / both of these are altered.


•      Use values calculated by a direct points/pixels to twips conversion based on code such as the

      ConvertToTwipsYFromPoint function based on the widely used GetSystemMetrics API.

       This manages the inexact conversion between 72 points and 96 pixels per inch by building in a

       'jump' every 3 points


       This approach can work reasonably well for some standard fonts between about 10pt & 14pt.

       However, it gets increasingly inaccurate for much larger/smaller fonts. It also makes no

       allowance for certain fonts e.g. Comic Sans being taller than the normal value for that point size.

       The image alongside shows a capital A in 13 different standard Windows fonts - all are 72 points


       Stephen Lebans uses an enhanced version of this code in several example applications such as


       The code I originally developed was partly based on the second example above.

       I am always amazed by Stephen's ability to do things that us mere mortals would never achieve alone.

       Even so, the results using his code are not perfect for all situations


•      A MUCH better method makes use of the little known VBA WizHook function. This actually measures the height and width

       of a character string based on the font name, font style (normal, italic) etc.

       This approach should ALWAYS work no matter what the situation. My tests confirmed that to be so.


       The issue with WizHook is that it is a hidden function which, despite having been available for about 20 years, is not

       documented by Microsoft.

       In theory it could be removed in a future release, but as it is used in some built-in wizards, I believe that to be highly unlikely


       However, there is very little information about this function online apart from: (in Spanish)



       See additional information about the WizHook function at the end of this article.

2.    Form components

In order to locate an object precisely on / over a specific control on a different form, we need to know the size and position of each component of a form. However, not all items will be present depending on form settings.


The screenshot shows the form component items calculated by the application for use as required


3.    Using the example application

The example application includes an Images folder

For the purposes of this example, this needs to be a subfolder of the example application


The size of the navigation pane, ribbon and application window can all be controlled from the startup form.

MoveForm-CompareFontHeight MoveFormMain

There are 6 test forms available:


Forms 1 - 3 (Single / Continuous / Continuous Subform)


Each of these is designed show how a zoom box can be used to view the entire contents of a standard textbox when it is too large to fit in the available space.


Each form has 2 textboxes and several different options that can be applied

Double click either textbox. The zoom box is opened / moved directly below the textbox.

MoveForm1 Single == MoveForm2_Continuous MoveForm3-Subform

Single form

Form & subform

Continuous form

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The zoom box should align closely whether or not record selectors / navigation buttons / scrollbars are used.

Similarly, the border style should have no effect on the alignment.


Typical code (this is taken from Form2):

Private Sub Text0_DblClick(Cancel As Integer)


   'close zoom form if open

  If CurrentProject.AllForms("frmZoom").IsLoaded = True Then DoCmd.Close acForm, "frmZoom"


   strText = Nz(Me.Text0, "")

   strCaption = "Text0 "


  'check record containing text has been clicked

   If Nz(Me.RecNum, "") <> "" And strText <> "" Then

         intLeft = Me.WindowLeft + Me.Text0.Left + intRecSelWidth


        'check if subform

       If IsSubform Then

           intBase = intTitleBarHeight + intHeightHeader + Me.WindowTop + Me.Text0.Top + Me.Text0.Height _

                  + (Me.RecNum - 1) * Me.Detail.Height - intNavBarHeight - intBorderHeight


           intBase = intTitleBarHeight + intHeightHeader + Me.WindowTop + Me.Text0.Top + Me.Text0.Height _

                  + (Me.RecNum - 1) * Me.Detail.Height

       End If


       'open / move the form

       DoCmd.OpenForm "frmZoom"

       Forms!frmZoom.Move intLeft, intBase

   End If


End Sub

Forms 4 & 5 - Listboxes


The listbox 'selection' opens / moves another popup form or displays an image for the selected/highlighted record.

The actions can be controlled using mouse move or a mouse click


As stated earlier in this article, records are NOT selected when moving the mouse over the listbox


Instead, code is used to determine the listbox position based on the calculated height of each listbox row and the mouse cursor position.

The listbox row height depends on several things including font name, point size and the 1 pixel (15 twips) space left between each row for legibility.  


To complicate matters, the first row is 45 twips (3 pixels) taller than all following rows.

That happens whether or not column headers are displayed!


That information is used to highlight the record under the cursor so the data in the listbox record can be ‘read’ just as if it had been selected by clicking


Form options – mouse move code can be enabled / disabled

Listbox options – column headers on/off ; change font name and font size, normal or italic style

MoveForm4-Listbox2 MoveForm5-ListboxImages

In both forms, the height of each listbox row is calculated using code like this:

Private Function GetListboxRowHeight()

   'Wizhook converts row height perfectly

   WizHook.Key = 51488399

   Dim lx As Long, ly As Long ‘width & height of character string

   Dim LBRH As Long  ‘LBRH = listbox row height in twips


   With Me.lstContacts ‘listbox name

       If WizHook.TwipsFromFont(.FontName, .FontSize, .FontWeight, .FontItalic, .FontUnderline, 0, _

                "ABCghj", 0, lx, ly) = True Then

                LBRH = ly + 15         'font height +15 twips (1px space between rows)

       End If

   End With


End Function

This is used in the listbox mouse move code to determine the ‘current’ record for highlighting / ‘reading’.

For example:

Private Sub lstImages_MouseMove(Button As Integer, Shift As Integer, x As Single, y As Single)

   'get record in listbox by moving over record

   'LBRH =listbox row height - calculated in GetListboxRowHeight procedure


    If LBRH = 0 Then Exit Sub

    Screen.MousePointer = 1 'arrow- helps prevent flicker


    intColumnHeads = Me.lstImages.ColumnHeads  'are column headers visible?

    '-1 if true, 0 if false so subtracting it adds 1 if headers shown

    ‘deduct 45 to allow for larger top row

    lstPos = ((y - 45) \ LBRH) + 1 + intColumnHeads


    If lstPos <> OldlstPos Then 'cursor has moved

          LC = Me.lstImages.ListCount + intColumnHeads '-1 to allow for header

          Me.lstImages.Selected(lstPos - 1 - intColumnHeads) = True 'highlight on mouse move


          'get image path

          strPath = Nz(DLookup("FileName", "tblImages", "ID=" & lstPos), "") & "." & _

                                      Nz(DLookup("FileType", "tblImages", "ID=" & lstPos), "")


          If strPath <> "." Then

                Me.lblFileName.Caption = strPath

                strPath = CurrentProject.Path & "\Images\" & strPath

               Me.Image1.Picture = strPath

         End If


        'show image if in list

        If lstPos > 0 And lstPos <= LC Then

               Me.lblImage.Visible = True

               Me.Image1.Visible = True

               Me.lblFileName.Visible = True


               Me.lblImage.Visible = False

               Me.Image1.Visible = False

               Me.lblFileName.Visible = False


               'deselect all records if move beyond end of list

               For N = 1 To Me.lstImages.ListCount

                   Me.lstImages.Selected(N) = False


        End If

        OldlstPos = lstPos

    End If


    Screen.MousePointer = 0 'reset to default

End Sub

Form 6 - Coordinate display


This shows how coordinates can be updated as a control is moved on a form (using ‘nudge’ buttons) or as the form is moved around the screen


Each ‘nudge’ moves both textbox and label by 10 twips in the direction of the arrow.

The ‘home’ button restores the original position


I hope this example application will prove useful to others


I have successfully used the movable zoom box form for a long time with several of my applications

I also have a few ideas for deploying the listbox mouse move highlight & 'select' code in real world applications of my own.


I would be very interested in user feedback about how this code can be applied in other Access applications

5.    Current and future developments

I am extremely grateful for the valuable assistance provided by the following:


Stephens Lebans – various conversion functions partly based on the GetSystemMetrics API member Ajax for various improvements to prevent screen flicker with the mouse move code used in the listbox example forms 4 & 5 member daolix for alerting me to the potential use of the WizHook function for this example

Skrol for providing the WizHook key

6.    Acknowledgements

Click to download:


      Move Form & Control v7.4     (ACCDB file & images for form 5)     Approx 1.5 MB (zipped)


      Move Form & Control             (PDF version of this article)              Approx 0.8 MB (zipped)        

Difficulty level :   Moderate

Listbox with filtered popup form

Listbox with image control

4.    Using WizHook and other hidden VBA functions

Access contains many built-in hidden functions - most are undocumented and its always possible that they could be removed when new versions are added. Over the years, I have used a number of these hidden members including LoadFromText, SaveAsText, Wizhook and others.

All of the ones I've tried are functional and indeed useful.


To view hidden functions in the VBE right click in the object browser and select Show Hidden Members


NOTE: You can use any of these functions even when they are hidden


Wizhook library


The screenshot above shows some of the members of the hidden Wizhook function. There are many more as you will see if you check for yourself

I've tried several of them and found some very useful features.

However, I've no idea what a few of them do ....YET! Give me enough time though ....!


Wizhook has one additional feature that is, as far as I know, unique.

You MUST supply the Wizhook key in your code or it won't work



Many thanks to skrol for alerting me to that key value a couple of years ago.

Skrol is the author of the excellent free Access add-in, V-Tools 

The V-Tools deep search feature is particularly useful

WizHook.Key = 51488399

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